Friday, March 23, 2007

Friday Flashback 4/18/2002: My 3rd and 4th ever blog entries

I think I've weighed down this site enough with my past Iraq writing for a while. This time I thought I would share my first real blog entries beyond a couple of introductory quips. I placed the blog on my own web page and used my own system of HTML tags to decorate the fonts, etc. I had to strip all that to put the entries in here. Hopefully the tables still format well.


UPDATE: The table is slightly bloggered. Just scroll down the page to see the table.

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:00 pm

Parallels and differences exist between any two subjects. This
evening (for no particular reason), I will compare and contrast the
European vs. Native American conflict with Israel vs. Palestine
conflict. I offer no hope of anything other than a slight expanding
of thought amongst the gentle readership.






























European vs. Native American conflictIsrael vs. Palestine conflict
No one person to blameCan blame Sharon & Arafat
Native lands were taken by forcePalestinians lands were taken by force
Rank & File Natives protrayed as savagesRank & File Palestinians portrayed as terrorists
More natives killed than EuropeansMore Palestinians killed than Israelis
No discernible peace movement among stronger groupStrong movement among Israelis, but disregarded in most instances
No discernible peace movement among weaker groupStrong movement among Palestinians, but disregarded in most instances
Occupiers bargained for less than 1% of landOccupiers owned 7% of land before occupation
No outside weapons helpWeapons provided by outside entities
Used as slavesUsed for low wage jobs
Natives now live in low-income reservationsPalestinians now live in refugee camps
Occupied land is stabilized, no new settlementsOccupied land is expanding, new settlements forming
Most natives are very poorMost Palestinians are very poor
No legitimate land claim2000 year old biblical claim (no residence until 19th century)
Manifest DestinyA Jewish homeland decreed by God
Most native leaders electedPalestinians lead by military figure
Natives are accorded citizenship and rightsPalestinians are not citizens and have no rights
Racism against Europeans is largely ignoredRacism against Israelis is regarded as harsh persecution
Germans killed few Native Americans during WW26 million Jews were killed in WW2 by Germans
Germans killed few American gypsies, etc. during WW26 million gypsies, etc. were killed in WW2 by Germans
Natives had no suicide bombersPalestinians have dozens of suicide bombers
Europeans received scant outside financial supportIsrael receives $5 billion per annum from USA
Both cultures are rich and worth living inBoth cultures are rich and worth living in
There will never likely be an "Indian" nationThere will have to be a Palestine



Thursday, April 18, 2002, 11:00 am


The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

4 comments:

ladybug said...

Wow, that is one of my favorite poems -brings me back instantly to my "Irish Renaissance" class Senior Year in college.

Back then, it was Reagan's (then Bush the 1st's) pro-nuke, "trickle-down economics", the Iran-Contra scandal, and the terrible job climate for us graduates that made this poem speak volumes for me.

Today it seems, "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

Swinebread said...

What an explosive comparison. I sure somebody will get pissed off. ☺

Pa've said...

I'm not going to get pissed off, but I am going to clarify a few things.

If I remember my Bible history correctly, Israel was in fact decreed by God to be the home of the Jews. Arab Palestinians, however, have been battling over the land since Mohamad. Palestinians are not native to Israel, but neither is Israel native to the Jews, all though they have the longest claim to the land.

In modern times, the Palestinians have migrated back and forth between Israel, Syria, and Jordan, getting tossed out no matter where they go. No one wants them, so naturally, they are bitter. there is no reason to give the Palestinians a legal claim to sack part of Israel and claim it as their own. It isn't theirs, and the Jews have been more than gracious enough and tolerant enough in spite of the Palestinians relentless intolerance of the Jews.

Arabs and Jews don't mix. And to add insult to injury, there are now two Palestinian factions attacking Israel. Hamas and the PLO. Hamas terrorists factions currently take their marching orders from Iran, and we all know that the Iranian leadership openly declares death to Israel. If you don't believe that, unplug your ears.

There will be no peace in Israel, until the Anitchrist arrives, and even that will be a flase peace.

I am not annoyed by your comparison. But I don't think that you can compare the Israeli Palestinian conflict with the Native American conflict at all. they are not birds of a feather.

Native Americans are today a very peaceful people. You don't see Native Americans shouting "Down with the USA"

They are more concerned with preserving their traditions and concerving the environment.

It is now considered an honor to be a Native American, and since I have a little Native American in me, (Sioux) I feel a little bit tied to that history.

The Moody Minstrel said...

What an explosive comparison. I sure somebody will get pissed off.

Read "opened a can of worms"...

I'm not going to get pissed off, but I am going to clarify a few things.

Perhaps the clarification needs clarification:

If I remember my Bible history correctly, Israel was in fact decreed by God to be the home of the Jews.

Yes, and God also told the Hebrews to massacre the other Semitic tribes that were already living there. They did so in earnest, destroying cities, killing all the men, boys, and adult women, cutting babies from the wombs of mothers, and enslaving the girls. However...

Palestinians are not native to Israel, but neither is Israel native to the Jews, all though they have the longest claim to the land.

Do they? Read the Bible again.

The Old Testament says that one of the original Semitic tribes of Canaan (that the Hebrews were supposed to exterminate) tricked the Hebrews into making peace with them. (The Hebrews were also painfully punished by God for this.)

That tribe is the ancestors of the Palestinians, which would mean they were there first.

there is no reason to give the Palestinians a legal claim to sack part of Israel and claim it as their own. It isn't theirs, and the Jews have been more than gracious enough and tolerant enough in spite of the Palestinians relentless intolerance of the Jews.

I agree to some extent, but you're going over the wire with that. With all due respect to the modern state of Israel and good people I know that live there, many mistakes were made and crimes committed when the nation (i.e. Israel) was founded. There is still lots of controversy with plenty of "evidence" on both sides, but even some famous Israeli political leaders have come out and admitted that they participated in ethnic cleansing operations back in the late '40s, with Jewish militias essentially driving all Palestinians out of certain areas including whole villages (if not simply killing them), confiscating their property, and turning it over to the growing Jewish population. With this in mind, one could easily make the counter-claim:

"there is no reason to give the Zionists a legal claim to sack part of Palestine and claim it as their own. It isn't theirs..."

(Notice that I did NOT use the word "Jews" here. I have no reason to make such an overgeneralization. Many Jews don't agree with the way the Palestinians have been treated.)

Yes, at the same time there were massacres of Jews at the hands of Palestinians, too, so it's a two-edged sword with bloody hands on both sides.

At any rate, Israel has existed now for three generations. It's too well established, and it's not going to go away barring another inexcusable, large-scale crime against humanity. Therefore, the only realistic solution would seem to be the "two state" solution, which many Palestinians and Israelis do support, believe it or not.

The only trouble is all those extremists on both sides...both of which are quick to spew about their respective "historical claims".

Arabs and Jews don't mix.

There are Israeli Arabs, and I know at least one strongly Zionist Israeli Jew who has Arab friends. One can also find Jewish populations in many if not most Arab countries (as well as in Iran, which I guess isn't Arab but rather Persian). This sort of overgeneralization is counterproductive.

And to add insult to injury, there are now two Palestinian factions attacking Israel. Hamas and the PLO.

Hamas and Fatah. I can't speak for most Palestinians, but those that I have communicated with (as well as virtually all Muslims I'm acquainted with) are angry at and fed up with the whole Hamas vs. Fatah squabble. It only amounts to more suffering for the Palestinians, not to mention the loss of all the improvements in their standard of living that occurred in the wake of the peace agreement with Israel. Yes, Hamas was voted into power, but most Palestianians would probably tell you they voted for them because the Fatah (PLO) government was too corrupt and did very little for the common people. Hamas, on the other hand, were populists.

Hamas terrorists factions currently take their marching orders from Iran, and we all know that the Iranian leadership openly declares death to Israel.

Don't confuse Hamas with Hizbollah. Besides, I've had it stated to me directly by Iranians: the beef is with the Israeli government, not the people. The same is true with their anti-U.S. spewing. Most of it is just that: spewing.

That being said, I am admittedly concerned about their nuclear program.

Native Americans are today a very peaceful people. You don't see Native Americans shouting "Down with the USA"

No, they're just using their new-found casino wealth and accompanying confidence to campaign more and more vocally against sports teams and what not that use words like "redskin", "brave", "squaw", etc.. And frankly, I'm happy to see it! More power to them!

It is now considered an honor to be a Native American

Once before, when I compared the Palestinian plight with that of the First Nations (i.e. Native Americans) elsewhere, our Palestinian friend Saba got upset and asked me not to. "It hurts to hear you say that," she said, "because we're not there yet."

Speaking of people getting pissed off over this explosive comparison...